Point-Counterpoint with C.S. Boyack: Series vs Standalone #writing

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(This is an experimental guest post style suggested by C.S. Boyack. We pick a topic, take a side, and do a back and forth over email.  Let’s see how it works.  FYI- We don’t know where the referee came from. He just kind of showed up in the kitchen and wouldn’t leave until we let him flip the coin.)

Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first edition of Point Counter-Point. A possibly recurring debate between authors about issues in the writing world. Prior to this show, each author mailed in their choice of heads or tails.

Our guests today are Charles Yallowitz and Craig Boyack. Today’s topic is series vs standalone novels. The winner of the coin toss can choose a side, and whether to have the first or last word.

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Charles, it appears you’ve won the coin toss. What is your pleasure?

“I’ll debate the merits of a series, and I’ll take the first word.”

“Very good, Charles. Take it away.

Charles:

Now I’ll admit to be biased here because I’m working on a lengthy series and predominantly read series.  The multi-book epic is practically a staple of the fantasy genre.  So this is where my mind goes for a story and I tend to follow many of the ideas for a character instead of choosing one plotline. To me, this allows a hero and/or villain to be grown to their full potential without rushing or missing a beat.  I’m not saying you can’t do this in a standalone, but you have more time and story to make it happen.  Less compact and more of a roller coaster style of evolution.

Character development is one of the bigger merits of a series because you can go up, down, and every which way without squishing the events.  Book 1 can be a rise that carries into 2 and then a fall in 3, which is steadied and recovered from in the final book.  Going beyond this means you can choose a variety of levels for the character’s progress, which I find to be fairly realistic.  Most people have had good and bad periods in their life, so you can create a connection with a reader who thinks ‘I remember when I had a bad time like that and it kept getting worse’.  If you play it right then you get the reader to follow along and be ready for more of the same character instead of them having to start again fresh.

Even better, you can use a series to evolve a bunch of characters and not have to focus only one or two mains.  For example, I have 6-7 main heroes in my series and certain books focus on different ones.  The others step back into the supporting roles with some small steps in evolution while the central ones get a bigger push.  This tends to go along with the main adventure of the book, which pushes the heroes as a team.  It is more complicated and requires constant note-taking, but none of it would work if crushed into a standalone. I’d have to eliminate characters or reduce them to a ghost of what they are supposed to be. So I would say the big merit that a series has is a longer time to accomplish a deep evolution.

Craig:

Good points, Charles. I prefer stand-alone novels. I read series, but I’m picky about which ones I start. It’s all a matter of time for me. I’d rather read multiple stories over the course of six months than dedicate that same time to one story line.

My own fiction reflects this, in that while everything is speculative, there is science fiction, fantasy, and paranormal in my catalog. Lately, I’ve even been writing short stories and micro-fiction.

Solo novels won’t be able to explore multiple leads in depth, but that’s never been a problem for me. Most of the time, the life of a character isn’t interesting from cradle to grave. They have that one moment of something extraordinary, and return to a normal life. There are plenty of fleshed out characters in my epic fantasy novel, but it’s the lead who goes on the hero’s journey.

Most solo stories still follow a three act structure without the need for a trilogy. Characters still go through hell in the middle of the story.

From an author’s position, I think starting over with new characters every time has made me a better writer. I could say the same thing about world building. I’ve forced myself through two of the most difficult parts of the writing process fresh each time out, and I’ve learned from that.

Charles:

I can definitely see how one can grow and evolve when they go from the end of one story to the beginning of another.  Almost like you have a blank slate that you can use your new knowledge on.  It’s very different than a series, especially with the setting where you continue building the world with new cultures, locations, and other pieces.  This part doesn’t really end until you finish the story even if the characters reach their top tier or are replaced by new ones.

One thing that I’ve seen done in series is having each book with a contained story while the big plot carries on in some form.  For example, my series has a new adventure in every volume that has a clear beginning, middle, and end.  The main plotline connects through villains, prophecy pieces, and the main characters evolving, but it doesn’t always take the center stage.  Going by my outlines, I use this method a lot.  So it’s have a BIG PLOT and then a series of smaller, contained stories.

So I guess you can see how some aspects of standalones can be used for a series.  Not sure if the opposite can happen though.

Craig:

I respect an author who can focus on an overarching plot along with the single book plot. Even television has moved to that point today.

I’m too worried that I’ll fall victim to one of two possibilities. Either my single book plot will become so much fluff to the main story, or my main story will feel shoehorned into my single book tale. I’ve seen both things happen, and think an impartial editor might have helped.

If the overarching story is the important one, maybe editing out the side adventures is the way to go. If individual stories are the better tales, maybe more of a serialized schedule is better. (More like James Bond or Sherlock Holmes.)

For me personally, I want to focus on telling one story to the best of my ability. I want to leave it all on the page, and never doubt whether I held something back for the overarching story. I also never want to worry if I’ve written one 900,000 word story and sold it in “fun size” portions.

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Gentlemen, thank you for participating in Point Counter-point today. Both of you made some valid points, and now it’s time for our audience to weigh in.

As readers, do you prefer books in a series or a stand-alone format? Do you read both formats, or remain fiercely loyal to one over the other?

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#RRBC Play it Forward – Featuring Susanne McKenna Link

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It’s Rave Reviews Book Club “PAY IT FORWARD” WEEK. This week has been set aside for us to take the promotion attention off ourselves and “pay it forward” by showering someone else with attention!  This week of awesome support will begin on Monday, November 16 and will run for 3 days during that week (Monday, Wednesday & Friday only) ending on Friday, 

November 20th. If you would like to visit RRBC and find our more go HERE

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Today I have the pleasure of introducing you to Susanne McKenna. Susanne is the talented author of the novel Saving Toby which took a Top Pick award at Night Owl Reviews.

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Available on Amazon

Suzanne McKenna Link works for a family of newspapers that cover events in and around the South Shore of Long Island, New York. She lives in the town of Sayville with her husband and two children.

SAVING TOBY is her debut…

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Christmas Grotto – But ‘N’ Ben by Sue Vincent and Stuart France

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Christmas Grotto – Love Will Find You – Iris Blobel

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Humanity’s Best and Worst

They stand on the same stage
Humanity’s worst
Bringing out its best

                                                                                                                                                               

The poem was longer, but I just couldn’t get it right.  Left the part that was rattling in my since last night.  Yeah.  I’m going to stop there.  A lot I want to say, but not on a public forum.  Hope all of my followers who have family in Paris have heard from them and they’re okay.

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And That’s All He Wrote . . . For 2015

Victory lunch!

Victory lunch!

I’m doing this early since I don’t know what the weekend will bring. I’m grabbing a book I’ve been gradually reading and collapsing after this.  So, what is the reason for the victory and collapse?

Legends of Windemere: The Spirit Well is done.

Now this book won’t be released until next December the earliest.  This is Book 12 and only 8 are out right now.  My hope is that Legends of Windemere: The Mercenary Prince will be out before 2016 hits, but we’ll see what happens.  Half of November is over and I’m not very close.  Though I might test out the blurbs next weekend to see how they work out.  Anyway, the reason I went hardcore on the writing for the series is because I wanted to get ahead.  With things getting chaotic, I wanted to use 2015 to create a cushion of work that I can depend on in case I have to redirect my energies.  Basically, if things fall apart and I can’t be the prolific author that I am today.  This leaves me with 3 books to write in 2 years.  Though I’ll probably do them next year.

Now I’d post the final line or paragraph of this book, but that’s a big spoiler.  The temples are done and it ends on a cliffhanger.  Not even sure I can grab a lot of excerpts from it for Teaser Tuesdays.  This is going to be a little frustrating since I love showing what I’ve done and I’m basically sitting on a bunch of things I can’t talk about in public.  Going to drive me nuts.

Now, what am I going to do with no more 2015 projects beyond a possible release?

Rest until 2016.  At least my version of it.  I’m going to tinker with the outline for Book 13 and then work on other ideas.  It’s going to be a month and a half of casual work that will set me up for next year.  Probably get back into biking and catch up on sleep and reading too.  This is going to be a long break, so we’ll see what happens when I return to the books.  I’ll still be here though and I’ll have to figure out a few post topics for January, but that feels like maintenance more than deep work.  I’m at that point where I feel lost and aimless.  Maybe it’s better to say I feel like I have many paths in front of me and I can’t figure out which ones to follow.  Also, I have no idea what to toss into the DVD player for viewing or background or whatever.

This feels like an end of the year post because I’ve been gorging myself from the author trough since January.  I made the list in the last goal post, but I’ll say again that I finished 7 works.  All 4 ‘series’ will be continued with Crossing Bedlam in February, Ichabod Brooks during the summer, and more October fun with Dawn Addison.  Still, I’m not 100% certain how successful I was.  Mostly because people have pointed out my falling ranks and dripping sales.  I have all of these things that I’m putting out, but I seem to inching along.  Not sure how to explain this, but I won’t really worry about it.  I pushed myself really hard in the author arena while balancing some chaos at home.  Everything has blurred together, which is why I need time to relax the brain.  To some extent since I still have to write something or I’ll go mad.

So what are the paths?

  1. Prep outline for Book 13.
  2. Characters and outline for Ravens’ Game.
  3. Keep reading Ranger’s Apprentice: The Lost Tales (or is it Lost Stories? Been a while.)
  4. Work on the Sin notebook.
  5. Catch up on sleep since I pulled a bunch of late nights this week.
  6. Make time for biking.
  7. Choose DVD’s to watch.  Not sure what.
  8. Keep making easy goals because I’m really going to be drifting into 2016.  Just so tired and this year was rough.
  9. Set something up to get cover art for Crossing Bedlam.

Required video from what is on Pandora by the time I reach end of post:

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Join me on Blog Talk Radio tomorrow

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For clarity’s sake, today is Friday, November 13, 2015. Some of you might not find this until later, but don’t despair these shows are archived and can be listened to any time.

I’ve been invited by Beem Weeks to be a guest on his program, Beyond The Cover tomorrow. We’re going to be talking about my book, Will O’ the Wisp.

Beem has a book called Jazz Baby that is getting a lot of attention right now. You can check it out here. He is also a WordPress blogger, and his site is here. His Twitter handle is @BeemWeeks.

Beem is a fellow member of the Rave Reviews Book Club, and the club helped set up these radio programs. Those of you who listen live can also participate. Here is how it all works:

The website is Beyond the Cover. Go there, turn your speakers…

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Relating to a Married Hero When You’re a Kid

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FYI-  This may turn into a rant.  Somebody wanted me to talk about this and I said I would.

In 1987, Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson got married.  Spider-Man was no longer a bachelor and a new type of story appeared.  He had to fight crime and put his life on the line while somebody waited for him at home.  MJ had to be strong and help her husband when she could, which even included standing up to the occasional villain.  I grew up with the married Spidey and thought it was awesome that his wife had no powers, but they made it work.

Then came ‘Brand New Day’ and I refuse to go back.  Basically, Spider-Man’s Aunt May was shot and dying.  A deal was made with Mephisto (Marvel’s Satan) to save her and all it cost was Peter and Mary Jane’s marriage.  It was erased from history and all the stories I grew up with no longer felt valid.  See how this rant is going? Anyway, there were plenty of reasons given for why this unpopular decision was made, but this one stuck with me:

Kids couldn’t relate to a married Spider-Man.

Keep in mind that he’s becoming Tony Stark lite in the new comics, but that’s beside the point and I only wanted to see if I could anger people.  Honestly, you can look up YouTube videos and articles on ‘One More Day’ and ‘Brand New Day’ to get an idea of how angry this made people.  Maybe even the comments if I convince a friend of mine to pay the blog a visit.  Where was I?

The idea of a kid not being able to related to a married superhero is . . . well, fucking stupid and missing a point.  We’re always going on about kids needing role models in fiction and this was one of mine.  You had a spouse with no powers and the hero.  He/she could die on any day and they made things work.  There was turmoil and they found a way to see it through to a brighter tomorrow.  Peter and Mary Jane were a couple in the face of incredible challenges.  Then again, who in the real world would be able to relate to a situation where one, or even both, parents have dangerous jobs?

Anybody grow up in a military, police, firefighter, or other life-risking career household?  We have real ‘Peter Parkers’ in this world that have a ‘Mary Jane’ at home. Marvel could have added a kid to the mix, but that was part of another rough story arc.  The thing here is that there are those out there who can relate to this type of character.  Kids don’t automatically hate a hero because they’re married.  Most times it doesn’t even factor into things, so that reasoning really angered me.

Leaving Spider-man alone for the rest, I think having a reader follow a character through familiar stages of life is a great way to create a long-term audience.  New readers will come in at a different stage, but still feel like they’re still along for the ride.  It shows that a hero is human and more than the mask.  Maybe the unending nature of comics makes this a nigh impossible task since new writers want to make their mark and might not like the marriage part.  That still isn’t a good reason to undo stages of a character’s life and say that nobody liked it.  Then again, that might just be me.

What do you think about married characters in fiction?  Are children or even single adults unable to relate?

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Questions 3: Right in the Childhood

Bugs Bunny (Do I really have to tell you?)

Bugs Bunny (Do I really have to tell you?)

We’re going to make this simple today.  Maybe I’ve been pulling too many late nights with the writing, which is not a bright idea.  You eventually cause yourself to reduce your daytime writing periods and throw your body off.  Then you don’t think straight.  I should be done by Friday as long as I don’t overdo it today.  Anyway that isn’t the point of this post.

  1. What is one of the fondest objects/shows/pieces of your childhood?
  2. What from your childhood do you still or would you happily indulge in?
  3. Do you think nostalgia is a useful tool for authors to connect to readers or is it a nasty/dangerous trick?
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